Now, that is MY feel and MY casting style and depended upon what line that I used. I have owned both tapers as original Payne rods, though not simultaneously. I believe it's the Payne 100H. Nothing over 7 1/2' as I couldn't keep an open enough mind to ever give any 8' rod a fair chance. (Ken Paterson). You should wind up with a tip, dimension inside the male of .173 or so and a butt dimension inside the ferrule of .196. The two I have seen are very different from each other. 20 - .134 20" = .143 I also like rods 7’ or longer. By the way, it's a 7'6" for a 5-weight, so, as you can see, Jim Payne designed this rod with you in mind! Payne 101 Dickerson 8013 PHY Driggs River 7'2", 4/5 wt. If you want all the fly rod tapers in a single MS Excel file, I've got it here: drtapers.xlsx. A faster rod that is easier cast by those used to graphite. (Gary Nicholson). (Gary Marshall), I've made 4 or 5 of the Ron Barch version and I like it a lot. 53 1/8 (Will Price), There are some modified tapers out there that are fantastic - I believe Harry makes one. ...but that's the same as the one in David Ray's Taper Library. (Tom Smithwick), As always Tom thanks for the speedy reply. Max Payne kan verwijzen naar: . Thanks for the taper, it looks like a great rod. (Neil Savage), I cast a couple of Payne 101's at Super Boo 2 in Maine, nice rod, 7.5' 5 wt. I would call it medium/fast and very pleasant to fish with, a bit snappier than Dickerson's 6611. After receiving some post regarding the Payne 204 Taper, I'm quite confused. The numbers are almost identical...I made the 100h and it was a really nice rod..Nice 5wt that will chuck a wooly bugger with authority. The Weiss rod has higher stress in the tip, while the Troutgetter rod has a more parabolic mid. $27.99 $ 27. Get it as soon as Tomorrow, Jan 21. Should be a fun castoff! It moved way up on my list of rods to build. I ran both these tapers through HexRod to get the stress curves, and the results are quite interesting. 15 .098 There were a number of Payne rods that never had model numbers assigned. What an experience as I caught the large brown that had ignored both of our offerings. Up-locking aluminum hardware over walnut spacer. Yes, Tim...agree. They are characterized by a flexible but a stiffer middle and a relatively fine tips. For sale here is a Payne Model 100 bamboo rod in unused and original condition with the original paper-wrap still on the grip. I’m thinking about what to build for rod #4 and would like to build a Payne. Number of tips 1 If I'm going to fish an 8' rod it will be a Dickerson 8014 Guide. Rod Name Payne Canadian Canoe Hi, this is max payne hehe.Press s00bskrib if u liek and like if you don't. 0.345 Many questions are coming up in my brian when I'm thinking about that taper. I liked the Payne 101 a bit better. Look at the action length slopes. 20 .311 .229 .125 Payne of Spåra Group on lisvärusteisiin keskittynyt yritys. Reed - As you can see there are a lot of tapers attributed to Payne's 201. 55 0.203 0.102 cork grip 6 1/8" The balance never felt "right" to me before. Had to sell it off for some medical expenses years back, but had Hal make me another (his 198L, wherein he lightens the tip taper) that casts a DT-4 Phoenix silk poetically. Yeah I know; but, Mike swears it's a 100 3 piece one-off made by Payne and marked that way. 5 1/4 The requester would prefer that the taper was a Payne, but that is secondary to the quick action. The two well publicized tapers are so dissimilar as to be totally different rods, one being a fast action, Dickerson like (from Ron Barch), the other much deeper flexing although the latter is reported as being a modified taper (Ted Knott). (4.0 oz. 0 - .355 0 - .242 0 - .158 Thanks for your help on selecting a Payne to build! The next rod I want to make should become a #5-6, 8.5 footer. 5 .085 85 0.300 0.150, Bill, go into Hexrod and change either the Payne 100 or the 100h to 3 piece, depending on which you want to build. I've lawn cast it with a 5 weight line and IMHO does a great job. 80 0.300 0.150 (Robert Kope), This is per Dennis Higham. If I were picking one I would go with the 100H although that is a lot tougher to find than the 101. if you like your rods to really bend deep into the handle (slower??) I am really curious about what it is about the design of this lighter version of the 201 that it can still handle this line weight, and apparently well, too! (Dennis Higham), That’s the one I have also. 20 3/8 Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for Freshworld Compatible Labeling Tape Replacement for DYMO LetraTag 91331 S0721610 Plastic Tape Refill, Black on White,1/2Inch (12mm) x 13Feet,for DYMO LetraTag Plus LT-100T LT-100H QX50 Label Maker, 4P at Amazon.com. (George Bourke), If you want "crisp" action, IE a faster rod then either the 101 or the 7', 4wt .. 98. (Neil Savage). 34 (against the female ferrule) All nice rods. Can somebody give me the tapers or a recommendation where I can find it? (Neil Savage). Regarding model numbers. 35 .177 I have an original 7'9" in the lighter 4/5wt and it's a great casting rod but quite different than the Young Para-14's I've built. 32 - .254 32 - .171 32 - .067. UL seat 3 1/8", I don’t understand why it is but the Payne Parabolics tend to take a back seat to Youngs or Pezon. .072 .085 .108 .125 .139 .153 .164 .172, .184 .195 .216 .229 .237 .253 .262 .268, .276 .289 .300 .311 .333 .385 .385 .385, Looking at how Payne chooses line weights then it does look like a 7wt. IIRC, there was a Dickerson 8014 there that year. Does anybody have a taper for a Payne 104? 34 .276 .184 .072, Deduction for varnish 0.004 I Measured three flats and averaged them, then took .006 off for varnish. My friend Mike uses his with a 6. I love the feel of my original Payne 100 and also an early 198, owned by a friend. Station Dimension Some of the taper libraries out there list model numbers associated with the parabolics...that's wrong...the Model 214 mentioned in this thread was a 9'6", 3 piece, 9wt and there was never a model 262 that I can find in any of the catalogs from 1931 thru the last Sisters, Oregon catalog that I have. 0.261 A typical slope was 0.008 to How it cast's and do you think I should have a look at some other 8.5 foot tapers before i start? This guide does not cover issues related to printing labels with the third party dymo labelwriter software. None of the evaluators at CRR thought that it was over-lined. (Peter McKean), I've decided to build a Payne because of how often they get mentioned here. All 85 .322 5 .385 .262 .164 0.067 Length (inches) 102 Obviously, Steve and Mike measured 2 very different rods, but they both were marked, by Jim Payne himself, as 201's. 80 .282 I cant guarantee the one I'm sending, but it looks like a 7 wt rod, average in the tip and it falling off (or is softer) into the butt, making the action a little slower. ↳ Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, ↳ Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, ↳ Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. 10 .385 .253 .153 When you compare graph of the dimensions, though, there really isn't much difference, suggesting that one may well have been a refinement of the other. The taper I have for the Payne 8 foot 3 piece 5 wt. Never looked at them in any great detail Tom but I am going to have a close look now. It was not indicated if he preserved the original wraps so we are representing this with new wraps. 25 .311 .229 .125 A bit more length, but not so much that it puts it out of the same category as the P97. I used the Ron Barch taper which smoothes out the jump between the tip and butt so you can use a standard ferrule instead of a stepdown. 45 0.180 0.090 9 3/4 PHY Perfectionist (Bill Walters) PHY Midge PHY Driggs River PHY Perfectionist PHY Para 15 PHY JJ Pezon & Michel Ritz Fario Club Hardy Tourney Payne 100H Dickerson 6611 Dickerson 7613 (Danny Twang) To add a bit to your thoughts on 8'0" rods, I believe that the Gillum 8'0" 6 weight as detailed in The Lovely Reed is a better and more pleasant rod than the Dickerson. 0.152 100 .353 (Markus Rohrbach). When I look at the taper as it is in DR's It just doesn't look right. 'M partial to the accurate Higham numbers are lovely rods to use, and the 204H nymph. 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